This is a Real Progressives interview on defending and expanding safety net programs, Medicare for All, negotiating with the Republicans in a way that always produces measurable and visible gains, uses examples from past histories about what might have been done, in contrast to what was done. Also, discusses details of the leading Medicare for All bill, HR. 676, and the faux public option that was not passed in 2009. In addition, it deals with real, rather than faux fiscal responsibility, the issue of whether Social Security is broke, the Job Guarantee.